[CoffeeShark]

the point was that there is no correlation between warming and carbon dioxide, other than that the increase in CO2 FOLLOWS a warming period, not the other way around.

However, the consensus that CO2 is CAUSING warming continues.

I'm hard-pressed to figure this out.

No one is denying the 1 Degree temperature change. It is the causation and eventual effects that are in dispute - and should be.

When your only proof of both cause and effect come from computer models, they cannot be stated as fact. Scientific opinion and theory, yes.

There is no factual evidence of sea rise at a greater rate than previous. When there is, fine. I don't want to bet our economic future on computer modeling. NOTHING has happened. This is all conjecture on what MIGHT happen based on human-controlled computer models.

I'm all for cutting emissions, I think the world's oil supply will eventually run out, and it's a good time to explore alternatives.

As for nature, there is no "delicate balance", that's just environmental spew. Nature is always in a state of flux, and has always been. This ridiculous notion that there is some sort of balance to be achieved is pure crap. Extinctions, global climate changes, natural disasters, even magnetic pole flips have all occurred, and will occur again. There is no balance, so there is nothing to maintain. Whenever man screws with nature to maintain a balance (see: wolves, caribou, deer, prairie dogs, wolverines, venomous ducks) we always mess it up. Because there IS no balance.

When the wolves eat too many deer, the wolves die out. There is no magical proportion of deer-to-wolf that we need to find. It's simple nature. We, in our infinite wisdom, think there is.

And in our arrogance, we believe we can regulate the Earth's temperature. We can prevent the next ice age, or warming.

The political nature of it bothers me the most. They've changed from "global warming" to "climate change" to avoid the issues with cold areas. They attribute every natural event to climate change, from hurricanes (disproved) to typhoons to local weather in NYC. Everything applies, and if it doesn't work for them, they write it off as an anomaly.

bah.