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05-08-2008, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ArmadonRK 
The only way to move forward is to start walking.
Maybe Obama hasn't committed to much yet, but I agree with him when he speaks. He seems to share many of my opinions and ideals, and I believe that he can translate that into policy.
As for further taxing the "hard working, already overtaxed Americans", I'd be interested to know where this is coming from. What programs has Obama spoken of that are going to tax this majority of the American citizenry?
| are you shitting me? have you bothered to look at any of his stances on any issues? CtTaxed.com » Blog Archives » Obama Spending Meter
Those are only estimates, of course, but most government costs are far worse than estimated.
The only change we need is smaller government and fewer taxes. No, none of the candidates will change this. Quote: |
Originally Posted by article
Obama claims to want to “balance the budget and stop spending the Social Security Surplus.” Combining that laudable goal with Obama’s massive new spending would cause the tax bills of the average taxpayer earning $62,000 to rise $5,300, or 61%. For taxpayers earning $104,000, the increase would be over $12,000, or 74%, and for the top 1%, earning over $365,000, “their income tax bill rise by an astounding $93,500 (132%)!”
| There are thousands of resources online to check both Obama's plans and the associated costs. All you have to do is look, instead of simply listening to the speeches. Hell, Obama's last speech sounded great - he talked about personal responsibility and less government help. The problem is, he doesn't mean it.
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05-08-2008, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DennyCrane
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Edit: Oh yeah, for the record, I agree with Obama on the gas tax cuts, but for different reasons. Cutting the gas tax will result in a bigger deficit or a bigger tax increase later. If you cut the gas taxes and accompany it with a cut in speanding, you're moving in the right direction.
| rofl i know you saw where Obama justified the capital gains tax by saying "i know it won't make money, but it's more fair".
"Fair" is code for forced equality.
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05-08-2008, 11:20 AM
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| | Heh, followed links from links and saw this: Quote: |
Originally Posted by Wall Street Journal
Sen. Barack Obama won the endorsement of the Teamsters earlier this year after privately telling the union he supported ending the strict federal oversight imposed to root out corruption, according to officials from the union and the Obama campaign.
It's an unusual stance for a presidential candidate. Policy makers have largely treated monitoring of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters as a legal matter left to the Justice Department since an independent review board was set up in 1992 to eliminate mob influence in the union. ...
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05-08-2008, 11:21 AM
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| | | just another politician trading favors.
same as it ever was.
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05-08-2008, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by CoffeeShark
"Fair" is code for forced equality.
| Obama just plays the class-warfare card (among a lot of other cards) and attacking those evil rich people is standard operating procedure. Ask any poor person what he wants and he'll say he wants to become rich. They don't want socialism, they want opportunity for personal success.
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05-08-2008, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by CoffeeShark
same as it ever was.
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05-08-2008, 11:26 AM
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| | | of course not, because when THEY become the evil rich, they will become the taxed.
as for windfall taxes, it is PURE socialism, there is no denial. Taxing profits because they are "excessive" is just stealing. I guess we should thank Hillary for having the moral fortitude to be able to determine what is and what isn't excessive.
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05-08-2008, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by DennyCrane | scary how you think like me
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05-08-2008, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by CoffeeShark
as for windfall taxes, it is PURE socialism, there is no denial. Taxing profits because they are "excessive" is just stealing. I guess we should thank Hillary for having the moral fortitude to be able to determine what is and what isn't excessive.
| I have one question for either Hillary or Obama... and I'd love to have someone with the balls to ask.
"These companies you want to tax for being successful, will you give that money to companies like GM who are losing money in the hundreds of billions?"
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05-08-2008, 12:50 PM
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 : 54 th | | | damn I can't believe I missed this thread!
gotta catch up from page 1 =P
(Son of A!!, this is "Big Yang" btw)
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