Mystery of the Windows 7...

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...solved!

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It was inevitable we suppose, but somebody's finally spilled on the shenanigans behind that "Windows 7 Ultimate" leak from a couple weeks back. According to JayDog over at TG Daily, who apparently received a version of the infant OS, the Windows 7 "Milestone 1" build is all Vista on top, but with the beginnings of a theoretically lean and mean Windows 7 kernel underneath, manifested in some slight speed improvements. It's not much, but it's a start, now let's just hope the optimists are right about that 2009 release date.

Well, i'll bet that the interface will change by the time of its release and look more like its own operating system. I think it already has been released that is more likely to be released in 2010-11 range. Lets hope its not another flop like vista.

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[DominiKing]

Jesus Christ, that's ridiculous. Why even start with a new one that's piggy backing the crap-tastic one they just released? Shouldn't they focus on FIXING Vista? Wouldn't it be easier and less expensive this way? Honestly, I just don't want them to come out with another piece of sh!t OS like Vista, it'd be another huge waste of time and money. Hype people up for nothing just to disappoint us with garbage. Come on M$, get on your game and start doing things right.

[VincentVega]

speaking as a developer, when everyone (management + user base) is unhappy with a product, you typically go right back to the drawing board. It's just easier (even though it might not seem like that way in common sense)

[SonicSpeed]

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Originally Posted by VincentVega

speaking as a developer, when everyone (management + user base) is unhappy with a product, you typically go right back to the drawing board. It's just easier (even though it might not seem like that way in common sense)

That's why I'm still thinking that this whole thing is fake. If its Windows Seven, then most likely they would start with an entire new kernel and version number. Instead of 6.1 it would be 7.0. It even adds more to this lie that the TGDaily reporter went under the name "JayDog" rather than one of their main reporters (Wolfgang Gruener for example.) It is quite likely its a hoax, just a modded Vista SP1 install (thus why it needs to be installed on SP1)

[CoffeeShark]

we are 2 years+ from a finalization of anything, much less the interface. Let it go, people. You have no idea what this is based on, what it will look like, etc, so don't jump to your default 'outrage' and start venting.

I don't know either, that's why I'm ignoring it. It's meaningless.

[Dopefish]

Sonic, the image that was posted awhile ago is fake, but this story here is true.

The current builds are nothing more than Vista, albeit stripped down a little.

They've never wrote any of their kernels from scratch. The kernel they're still using is a modified version of the one they purchased long, long ago. This kernel goes all the way back to the beginning. It's been updated, and more and more bloat added to it. The Windows API we use to write interfaces with is still done the same way it was in Windows 95. So what they're planning to do with this one is strip the kernel down. This new kernel is titled MinWin or branded as that so far. It's a very interesting process and kernel.

Anyway, like everyone else said, this version is so far away from release that any changes are still going to look like Vista from the outside.

Here's an excellent article on MinWin.
Paul Thurrott's SuperSite for Windows: Inside Windows 7 MinWin

"MinWin/7 is a more sophisticated approach to carving off a bottom chunk of Windows. Here, Microsoft identified that bottom chunk, called MinWin, by performing an automated analysis of all of Windows and figuring out what the dependencies were between the binaries. Any binaries that were considered part of MinWin, were refactored (or split) to remove those upward dependencies. So while Server Core has cyclic dependencies--i.e. connections to pieces of unused components from the rest of Windows--MinWin/7 is self-contained. That is, no code in MinWin depends on anything outside of MinWin."