Which PCI Video Card is better?

[ServerKing]

Which is a better card for FPS gaming?

NVIDIA GEFORCE 4 440-SE 64MB DDR

OR

ATI RADEON 9000 64MB PCI


I know PCI cards suck but I need one for a comp that has NO AGP port (dell). Which one would be the better card?

Needs DX 8.1 or 9.0 support.

Thanks

[myrkat]

I'd think it wouldn't matter much, go for whichever one offer the most software/value for the money.

I'm partial to ATI's newer Radeon cards; but nVidia ain't bad, either.

-myrkat

(how's that for a decisive answer! :smash: )

[NaturalPlayboy]

I'm a radeon guy myself.

[Shadowhwk]

The radeon is better.

[hsetdc]

Between the two your looking at, I have to be honest, as much as I dislike GeForce cards, and tell you that your gonna get a little better performance on that GeForce4. I've had a Radeon 9000 before and low end GeForce4 cards will beat it most of the time, simply becaues Radeon 9000 was out so much earlier than GeForce4's were. However, rather than buying a Radeon 9000, look for a Radeon 9200 PCI. It will cost you maybe 10 dollars more and fully DX9 compatible and it will definately outperform the GeForce4.

[Shadowhwk]

Quote:

Originally posted by hsetdc
Between the two your looking at, I have to be honest, as much as I dislike GeForce cards, and tell you that your gonna get a little better performance on that GeForce4. I've had a Radeon 9000 before and low end GeForce4 cards will beat it most of the time, simply becaues Radeon 9000 was out so much earlier than GeForce4's were. However, rather than buying a Radeon 9000, look for a Radeon 9200 PCI. It will cost you maybe 10 dollars more and fully DX9 compatible and it will definately outperform the GeForce4.

Here ya go:

http://www.amdworld.co.uk/lowcost.htm
From the website:

PNY Verto Geforce 4 MX440 Overall Conclusion...


Sadly for this card using the Nvidia Geforce 4 MX engine has been overwhelmed by the newer ATI R9000 family. The Geforce 4 MX engine perhaps recently was the current choice in this price bracket but times change and competitiveness always brings out something better. There has been much speculation on a newer engine to be released but until that time the Nvidia low cost solution from PNY sadly fails in the current climate.



and this reviews the 9000 pro but the 9000 isn't that far behind it in performance.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1655

The 9000 has a better gpu and it out performs the geforce4 mx 440. The mx series are just revamped geforce 2. They have no relation to geforce 4's in achitecture. A geforce 3 ti 200 will outperform any mx card and its cheapper. Your dealing with PCI cards but that doesn't change the fact that the 9000 is a better gpu.

Geforce 4 cards where realeased before the 9000 so I dont know where your getting your information. Date of release has nothing to do with performance though. Nvidias 5800 was released over six months after the 9700 and 9700 still kicks its ass.

[hsetdc]

Look at it this way...if you have that type of video card, your obviously not going to get into hardcore games. I've seen both the GeForce4 MX and a Radeon 9000 Pro side by side and the GeForce was performing better. It wasn't because of drivers or systems. It was the fact that most games on those level cards were designed more towards GeForce since that was the time when ATI began it's growth spurt. If the computer your on doesn't have an AGP slot, your probably not gonna get into hardcore games and will want a card that's more 'compatible.' That's my view point of it. I do agree the Radeon is better but for what he wants to do, it most likely isn't...

[Shadowhwk]

What do you think he wants to do? He says he wants to use it first person shooters. That means he wants the best card he can get. Your truly confusing in your statement. You say say the MX is better and then you say the Radeon is better. There is no blurry line here the radeon 9000 performs better than the mx. The radeon pro that you mention does it even better. The g4 mx 460 performs better than the 9000 but where not talking about the 460 where talking about 440. The radeon 9000 pro beats 460. You imply the radeon has is an up and comer in the graphics cards. Its been around since the 80's. I'm not a fanboy of either radeon or Nvidia, but out of those two cards the 9000 is the better performer. Telling him you've seen them side by side doesn't really say a thing. I'm curious as to know the circumstances that you accomplished this. I'd like to know what frame per second program you where using. Drivers and the systems do matter if one system you where looking at is using a 1ghz and the other 3ghz theres a difference.


Server king if you want a definitive answer to you question backed by people who really know hardware and computers go here and ask in the video card section.

www.hardforum.com

the discussion boards on
www.futuremark.com
www.anandtech.com
www.amdmb.com


The answers you get are from people whos obsession is gaming and hardware.

Or just type in google geforce4 mx 440 review and then comparte them to a similiar search regarding the 9000.